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Lisa 9/26/2002 08:37:59	Subject: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I'm in the process of redoing my bathtub with the Klenk's Epoxy Enamel. I have 2 coats applied and I can still see the grey from the tub comimg through. How many coats can be applied?
Mark 9/27/2002 09:00:16	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You can apply up to 4 coats with the Epoxy Enamel that you have. Some tub colours require multiple applications when white is used to repaint. Ma
Pat 12/19/2002 12:06:49	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: What is the best interval between coats.
Mark 12/19/2002 13:34:24	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You should wait approximately 24 hours between coats (20-28 hours is fine).
Theo 7/16/2003 20:53:09	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Can drips and runs be dry sanded between coats? Or must they be wet sanded, and if so, must you wait 5-7 days before getting the new surface wet?
Mark 7/17/2003 06:33:51	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: It is important to apply thin coats of Klenk's Epoxy onto the surface. If too much paint is applied, it will run down the sides. The best way to sand out runs and drips is to wait 5 days for the paint to harden. Sand using a maximum grit of 400 sandpaper (600 or 800 will do as well). If you try to sand before the paint has had a chance to cure you will end up with a gummy mess.
Boz 8/16/2003 15:06:24	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Is it suitable for rust-proofing the inside of a steel drum? If so, is a primer or any special surface prep. required?
Mark 8/16/2003 16:27:59	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Yes, you can use Klenk's Epoxy on any metal surface - and it will do a great job of rust proofing. You do not require any primer, but must ensure that the metal surface is clean and free of any rust.
Boz 8/17/2003 17:54:31	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Forgot to ask, which of the bathtub epoxy enamels would be best for steel?
Mark 8/18/2003 08:31:25	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Klenks Epoxy Enamel is a brush-on system designed for comsumer applications. Swiss Formula Epoxy is professional spray-only system. If the steel drum will be in heavy use, I would suggest the Swiss Formula Epoxy which includes a two-part epoxy primer.
Boz 8/18/2003 17:34:08	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I willnot be able to spray. Which of the bathtub epoxy enamels would be best for steel? I see versions designed for enamel/tile and fiberglass in the local store.
Mark 8/19/2003 07:18:18	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I believe you may be refering to the Klenks products made by ICI paint in the US. We have not tested these products. The Klenk's that we make is ideal for steel drums because of its water resistance and durability. One of our customers uses Klenks to reglaze the propellers on boat motors.
Erwin Epp 8/29/2003 12:19:49	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: How durable is the paint job. I have heard that it needs to be redo9ne every two or three years? How much odour is there in the home? I do not have very good ventilation.
Mark 8/29/2003 12:30:49	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: The durability of the paint is a direct result of the degree to which the surface was prepared. A thorough preparation and paint job can last as long as 10 years. If you have heard that it need to be redone every 2-3 years than you are listening to people who did not follow the detailed instructions. The odour from the paint is quite strong. Adequate ventilation is required during painting and curing. It is best to have a fan in a window that can blow the air outside.
Boz 8/29/2003 20:12:59	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Where (in the Los Angeles/South Bay) area does one find the Klenks Epoxy used to re-glaze boat propellors?
Mark 8/30/2003 10:54:17	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Although we have an office in LA, this particular product is not sold in retail shops in the US. You can order it directly from us by calling any one of our offices.
S.D. Lewis 9/20/2003 06:24:18	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: My landlord applied Klenks Epoxy Enamel on my bathroom tub and sink the first few days of September. I leave a window open every day, but the bathroom still has a strong odor. Also, the paint on the walls are developing spots of brownish, sticky residue. Is this from a reaction to the epoxy fumes (which are worse when humid). How long does the epoxy odor last?
Mark 9/22/2003 08:38:40	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Something is definately wrong. The odour should not last more that a few hours. Where are you located? Do you have the cans of paint that were used?
Mary 9/27/2003 22:48:39	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi: I've made a big mistake. I prepaired my tub as directed on the cans. I read both cans, but did not read the paper insert (it was at the bottom of the box and did not see it). So I went ahead and painted my tub with PART A (only) and did not mix it with PART B. So now I have a tub that is still sticky, to the touch, after two weeks. I went back to the retailer and found out I should have mixed Part A with Part B and then painted. Now I need to remove PART A from my tub. The question is : what do I use to remove PART A from my tub? I STRONGLY SUGGEST PLACING THE MIXING INSTRUCTIONS ON THE CANS. Mary
Mark 9/28/2003 14:42:47	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You should use Klenk's Epoxy Thinner to remove the Part A from the tub as it will never dry.
Jean Doe 11/13/2003 22:00:38	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Mark, thank goodness you are here for all of us tub painters.I need to repair about a 10inch strip on my tub. I have used klenks put out by ici paints. Is it possible for me to just mix about a half of cup of paint. What is the ratio. How much paint to how much hardner. The cleaner I have chosen for my tub is scrubfree. Have you head of it and is it safe. I also tried using silicone as a sealer but ran into trouble with it as it is sticky mess. Don't know what to use on the base of tub probably the same thing. I tried using a gasket to get a nice clean line but did't like it. Almost got it off before it dried but now have a repair job. DON'T DO IT PEOPLE..yOU GOT TO LAUGH A LITTLE AND KEEP PAINTING. i'M LEARNING THE HARD WAY. Thanks Mark
Mark 11/14/2003 07:43:35	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Jean, The product sold in the US is manufactured by ICI and is a different product from what we manufacture in Canada. 1. Klenk's Swiss Formula Epoxy (Canada) uses a one-to-one mixing ratio. I assume that the ICI product is the same. You can mix up only what you require for a particular job and save the unmixed product for future use. You can expect approximately 6 square meters/litre (that's about 60 square feet/quart for those that are still in the dark ages). 2. Depending on the type of repair required, it may be prudent to strip off the existing finish and start from scratch. You can use Circa 1850 Heavy Body Paint & Varnish Remover to take off the epoxy. The reason that I would remove the existing paint is that once water begins to seam under the finish it will eventually all come off. By stripping the old paint off first you save having to strip and repaint later. 3. I have never heard of "scrubfree". But judging by its name it probably contains an abrasive. I would suggest not using this product as it will slowly but surely wear away the finish. 4. I assume that you are talking about using silicone caulking where the tub and wall come together, and a gasket for the drain. You should paint right up to the edge of the tub using Klenk's. There should be no old tub showing at the drain. If the drain is to be put in later, use plumber's putty - NOT CAULKING. I saw a neat trick for applying caulking to a tub/wall line the other day. Apply making tape on both the tub and wall to leave a 1/4 to 1/2 inch area. Apply the caulking and wipe off the excess. Immediately remove the tape - Voila! a beautiful caulking job.
Laura 11/14/2003 09:20:08	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Mark - I was just reading your reply to Jean -- I finished painting my second coat last night, and it looks pretty (for an amateur job, especially). My tub is set in brick, and I will need to re-caulk where the tub meets the brick. 1-When is it safe to do this? 5 days? 2-Is regular caulking ok for this or should I use something else? Loved your idea about taping to make a neat line. I'll try that.
Mark 11/14/2003 09:45:42	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: The paint is quite dry after just a few hours - but I would wait 4 days. That way you can apply the caulking and wait their recommended 24 hours prior to using the tub. You should use a caulking designed for bathrooms. These are usually 100% silicone and mildew resistant. It may cost a few bucks more, but it is well worth it. If you are planning on doing other house projects I recommend getting a caulking gun. It is far easier to use and the caulking appears to be better than the kind that is sold in the toothpaste-like tubes.
Lars Pike 12/04/2003 17:18:41	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I am painting bathroom tiles and have begun the prep with the compound and sandpaper as per instruction. After rince the tiles are still very shiny. Should they look scratched ? Should I proceed with painting over very shiny tiles? Lars
Mark 12/05/2003 06:44:27	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Paint will adhere to dull surfaces better that to glossy surfaces. Use the sandpaper from the kit to scrub a bit more vigorously. If that still does not work, you may want to try with some 180-220 (fine) sandpaper. Remember - a dull surface is not required, but it will help to increase adhesion.
rob 12/11/2003 17:15:33	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: i am refinishing a clawfoot and have stripped the outside down to a red (rust?)surface. What is the best way to proceed with the outside? Also there are some rusty spots around the taps on the inside. Can I use the touch up product on the klenk page? thanks
Mark 12/12/2003 06:09:16	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: The outside should be cleaned with an abrasive (e.g., wire brush, sandpaper) to remove any loose metal. The surface should then be washed with a rust remover (e.g., naval jelly, rust out, CLR) and finally a rust converter (found in stores that sell auto supplies). The same procedure should be done for the inside to remove any rust and prepare the surface. If you are looking to end up with a really nice tub, I would suggest you paint the entire tub using Klenk's Epoxy. You can use different colour for the inside and outside if desired. Using the touch up will leave you disappointed. Once you are going to all the trouble of refinishing you should do it right. JMHO
Amanda 12/14/2003 19:57:04	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: We recently had our tub reglazed but the job was not a great one and although it is much better than before we are noticing a few cracks and sharp edges in places which are already coming through. The tub was reglazed only 2 days ago. Can I fix this by buying a new kit myself and simply going over these problem places? Would I have to sand them down first? Thank you Amanda
Mark 12/15/2003 07:17:43	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Amanda, Most tub refinishing jobs come with a warranty. You should have the reglazer redo the tub. It sounds as though something very wrong was done - you are probably going to have to remove the existing finish and start over.
Bill Rayne 12/15/2003 10:12:29	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I've read all the postings and still am not sure if you would advise against spot repairs of the tub interior. Is the system sold in small sizes, like parts A and B each in half litre, or smaller? Is there also a two part filler for deep rends in the porcelain? Bill Rayne, Delaware and Maine p.s. Can you name outlets for your products in the New Castle, Delaware area? Thanks.
Mark 12/15/2003 11:59:28	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Spot repairs are fine for an original finish - not for a painted one. Once the epoxy has pulled away from the surface due to peeling or cracking it will continue to do so. Kits are available in pint and quart sizes - they are sold in Canada. The best filler to use is a two-part epoxy type.
Amanda 12/16/2003 14:33:35	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Thanks for your help! We won't be able to have the person who used the klenks come back...it is a long story. Basically we are thinking of getting a new tub anyway in about a year so we are just wondering what the best thing to do for the short term is. The tub was just reglazed but still has a few small spots where the edges are rough and there are some cracks. Should we just get a kit ourselves and touch up those areas or would we have to redo the whole tub? Is there a special kit for touch ups? Where could I buy it? If we had to redo the whole tub we may choose to just live with it as is for a year, but if we can make it a little better or at least stop it from getting worse that would be great. Thanks, Amanda
Jason Chong 12/18/2003 18:27:23	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi there I am repainting a bathtub and followed all directions with prep kit. We have started to paint the tub and on each coat we are getting fish eyes all over in various areas. What is the cause of this and is there anything we can do to fix this problem. We also when stirring a and b seperately found in the clear solution some brown flakes floating around in there and they did not dissappear when further mixing was done. Is this normal?
Bob 12/21/2003 00:33:30	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hello, I am in the middle of refinishing my tub with Klenk's Swiss Formula. I am spraying it on and have run into a problem. The paint in many areas seems to be seperating or not adhering to the surface as though I wrote with wax on the tub before painting, although I follow all instructions. How will I fix this problem and when spray painting can subsequent coat be applied more frequently? Thanks
Mark 12/21/2003 15:59:19	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: It sounds as though you may have silicone contamination from caulking that is causing fish eyes in the finish. If that is the case, you will need to add a couple drops of fish eye eliminator (available at paint stores that sell professional finishes) to the remaining paint prior to applying additional coats. Since spraying generally puts less paint on the surface that does application with a brush, you can spray additional coats more frequently - wait 2-3 hours between coats at optimal conditions (temp 20C or higher, low humidity, good ventillation).
Amanda 1/06/2004 19:21:41	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I have just refinished my bathtub and have run into a few problems, in some places the paint would not adhere very will to the bathtub and is only on in a very thin coat and in others I have several drips. I can not be without my shower and bathtub any longer at this time. Can I sand the drips now and try and repaint it again in the near future (but after using the shower) and if so do I need to use the epoxy prep etc again or can I now repaint directly onto the newly painted surface so long as it is clean and dry? Thanks, Amanda
Mark 1/07/2004 09:43:38	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You can use the shower but run the risk of causing all the new paint to peel off. When you want to repaint, you will have to go through the entire preparation steps again (THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STEP IN THE PAINTING PROCESS). What do you mean by "the paint would not adhere in places"? Are these little round circles?
Carol 1/17/2004 13:29:13	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: How can you remove drip marks and still maintain the glossy finish after the Enamel has dried? My application turned out with much mottling.. even though I used thin coats for the first 2 coats. I called Klenks and they told me to lightly sand again and apply a 3rd coat a little thicker using the brush only. I tried it and some areas were filled but it still looks dimpled.This time I had drip marks after it dried and new mottling. Pretty frustrating as I spend days preparing the surface by sanding down the entire tub to make sure the surface was even. Seems as though there is something wrong with the formula.
Mark 1/17/2004 23:09:10	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Are you in the US or Canada? What is mottling? What do you mean by using the brush only?
Carol 1/18/2004 11:35:46	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I am in the US. I purchased the Klenk's Tub, Tile & Sink Refinishing Kit. The kit comes with a roller and a brush for application of the mixture. My first coat was applied with the roller and was very thin. It produced a rough surface as though I had not applied enough. It appeared that the mixture was not spreading. I thought that the second coat would fill and smooth out the surface however, it didn't. It became apparent that there were many dimples. They resembled human celluite in skin that was held tightly and squeezed. Now that the formula has dried my entire tub has that look. It also has some drip marks from the last coat which I applied using the brush. This has been a horrible experience for me and the resuts look like a mutated tub from outer space. I at least would like to remove the drip marks that make it look as though it is alive and spreading. I am fearful that I will create an unglossy area if I sand the drips out. Klenk's told me that the mixture only has a ten hour life once it has been mixed. This means that I have no additional product to apply after I sand the surface to restore the glossy finish if it sands out. I am positive that I don't want to purchase any more of this...product...? Suggestions?
Mark 1/19/2004 08:36:33	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Unfortunately, the product that you bought is not manufactured or associated with the Klenks product that is sold in Canada. However, I would be glad to give you some advice. It sounds as though the dimples that you are refering to are fish-eyes, small circles where the paint did not adhere. This is caused from contamination of the paint with silicone from caulking - was there caulking on the tub that came into contact with the paint or was incompletely removed. The runs and drips are going to have to be sanding off. Afterwards, a new coat can be applied. You have to use very fine sandpaper (600 or 800 grit) to prevent gouging the surface.
Carol 1/19/2004 12:01:41	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Thank you Mark
Kathy 1/21/2004 13:00:40	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi, I am a first time home buyer and I don't want to destroy my new home. The previous owner tiled the bathroom walls with horrible turquise tile. Would the Klenk's tub and tile epoxy pack be a good idea for this project? It sounds like results can vary and I don't want to ruin the tile. thanks for helping out a first timer.
Kathy 1/21/2004 13:01:11	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi, I am a first time home buyer and I don't want to destroy my new home. The previous owner tiled the bathroom walls with horrible turquise tile. Would the Klenk's tub and tile epoxy pack be a good idea for this project? It sounds like results can vary and I don't want to ruin the tile. thanks for helping out a first timer.
Kathy 1/21/2004 13:01:07	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi, I am a first time home buyer and I don't want to destroy my new home. The previous owner tiled the bathroom walls with horrible turquise tile. Would the Klenk's tub and tile epoxy pack be a good idea for this project? It sounds like results can vary and I don't want to ruin the tile. thanks for helping out a first timer.
Mark 1/21/2004 13:54:32	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Klenk's Epoxy would be the product to use. If you take your time and follow the directions it should work out fine.
Bill 1/21/2004 19:04:33	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: How about if there's a rusty spot near the tub drain with the porcelain gone from that spot. Will CLR really handle the rust? How would it be to use Klenks on the tub drain flange, as well as the tub. Would a different primer be required? Bill
Mark 1/21/2004 20:01:16	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Rust from the water can be removed using CLR or similar products. If the rust is coming from the iron of the tub, a rust converter (neutralizer) must be used or new rust will form. Klenk's Epoxy can be applied only any hard surface - metal, ceramic, porcelain, melamine, etc. Never use any primer with Klenk's Epoxy, unless it is designed for epoxy finishes. You run the risk of having the primer peel off when the epoxy is applied.
T. RICHTER 1/29/2004 19:37:17	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: We are planing to reglaze our bathtub and would like to know if you can match our colour,which presently is LILAC. Also, do you need any special experience to do a perfect finishing job. How many years will the re-gLazing last? Thanks in advance, T. Richter
Mark 1/30/2004 07:01:33	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Any colour can be matched. Please have your local retailer that carries Klenk's Epoxy send us a colour chip for matching. A perfect finishing job will require you to follow the instructions - don't skimp on the preparation and don't rush. I am not sure of the average lifetime in practice. However, if properly maintained it should last for 10 years.
David Reesor 1/30/2004 08:32:54	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I have a cast iron tub, which was coated about 15 years ago by Bath Tub King. It has just blistered (8" X 6") and I am in the process of scrapping all of the finish off. On removal there seems to be a product that looks like Bondo (the plastic body filler) used to fill little craters in the original finish. Is there a product you recommend to do this job, as there are a lot of the crators? Can I use "Bondo" Great web site, good questions and answers.
Mark 1/30/2004 12:43:33	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I believe that Bondo is an epoxy filler. If that is the case it would be the ideal product to use. There are also two part epoxy fillers (putty-like) that can be used to fill in the holes. FYI - Bathtub King uses Circa 1850 Furniture Stripper (although I prefer the Heavy Body Paint & Varnish Remover) to remove old epoxy coatings prior to repainting.
Sue 2/14/2004 11:45:25	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: We are in the process of refinishing our tub using Klenk's Epoxy Enamel Tub & Tile Finish. Two coats have already been applied. We have some rough spots, and some areas are showing the brush strokes. There are also fine, sand like bumps in the finish. Can you advise us how to fix this to get a nice smooth finish? Thanks, Sue
Beth 2/19/2004 15:53:15	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I need to do something about a stained Shower pan. I have heard of your product, and wonder if it will work on the nubbly, bubbly surface of this pan. I also have to recaulk to the tile--do this before or after? Thanks
Mark 2/22/2004 16:45:41	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Sue - sand the finish (once cured for 5 days) and apply a new coat. Beth - Klenk's will cover any surface (except plastic and those with high heat). It is best to caulk afterwards.
Vinny 2/24/2004 01:30:43	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I lost the instructions to the prep kit i have a powder a paste and a sanding pad any help in the order would be nice
Mark 2/24/2004 07:29:13	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hope this helps. There are also instructions for using the Prep Kit in the Klenk's Epoxy box. INSTRUCTIONS WEAR GLOVES. Apply a portion of Klenk’s Prep #1 Cleaning Compound to the abrasive side of the sponge. Rub the Cleaning Compound onto the surface in a circular fashion. Rinse the surface thoroughly with warm water. WEAR GLOVES. Dissolve the trisodium phosphate (TSP) powder in 4?8 L (1-2 gal) of warm water. Scrub the surface using the sponge soaked in TSP solution. Rinse the surface thoroughly with warm water. Allow the surface to dry completely. PORTER DES GANTS. Verser une mince couche du nettoyant Prep Klenks #1 sur le côté abrasif de l'éponge. Bien frotter la surface avec le nettoyant, en petits mouvements circulaires. Rincer à fond à l'eau tiède. PORTER DES GANTS. Verser la poudre phosphate trisodique (S.T.P.) dans 4?8 L (1-2 gal) d'eau tiède. Bien frotter la surface avec l'éponge trempée dans la solution S.T.P. Bien rincer à l'eau tiède. Laisser sécher completement.
tom 2/25/2004 10:09:26	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I have a problem. I prepared the tub as per the instructions but when I painted a 6x6 area the paint look like it was painted on wax paper. so i removed it as quickly as possible . In the process of removing it with the klinks thinner i noticed that i was also getting a clear gummy coat of something off the tub.I called the old owner and he said he sprayed automotive clear coat on the tub "to get a nice shine". Can you help? How can I get the paint to stick and not seperate like wax and do i need to get rid of the clearcoat?
Mark 2/25/2004 10:14:31	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I would suggest that you use Circa 1850 Furniture Stripper to remove the clear coat. You may be able to achieve the same by a thorough sanding. Either way, the surface should be very dull prior to repainting to confirm that all of the clear coat has been removed.
Atocha 2/26/2004 15:36:58	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Is it possible to use Klenks on cultured marble? I read where it's ok on melamine. Sounds similar to me. A favor of a reply would be appreciated. Thanks, Atocha
Mark 2/27/2004 07:45:26	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Melamine is a layered product (paper, glue, sealant) that is extremely chemical resistant. You can use Klenk's Epoxy on this material. Cultured marble is a cast plastic resin. In general, these products are not very chemically resistant. The solvent in Klenk's Epoxy may melt or soften the resin. Therefore, we do not recommend that you use the epoxy on this type of surface. If you are dead set on it, test the surface first. Apply some Klenk's Epoxy Thinner to a cotton ball and place it on the surface. If the surface gloss changes, the cotton ball sticks or the marble softens do not use the epoxy.
Atocha 2/27/2004 11:27:26	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Thank you for the information, Mark. Atocha
Ken 3/03/2004 14:28:00	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Question - I am about to paint the tile floor of my bathroom. Read all the instructions, etc - but my concern is the grout that is between the tiles. Do I have to remove that completly before painting or can I just go over it? Since the tiles are 4*$, that would be a lot of scraping out to do. The caulk at the tub/tile border I can get out. Thanks! Glad I found this message board!!
Mark 3/03/2004 14:43:33	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Ken, You can paint directly over the grout if you desire. Since dirt, etc. tends to accumulate in this material I would do addition prep work to ensure good adhesion (such as scrubbing with a powdered cleanser). Furthermore, you will have to wait longer for the grout to completely dry prior to applying the first coat of epoxy.
Ken 3/03/2004 15:12:33	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Thank you! Very fast response, I greatly appreciate it. One more question, and this is just me hoping to save some time but I will do what is best of course, the bathroom is just large enough that I can't reach the whole thing by leaning through the door. Right now I plan to do about 1/2, let that finish and dry, then do the other half. What are your thoughts on cleaning/prepping the whole room, but then having to stand on part of it (on top of plastic or something clean) while painting the back? And then how long should I wait before the 2nd coat, since I'll be standing on just painted tile to reach the back? Thank you very much!!
Mark 3/03/2004 15:23:27	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Sounds like a plan to me - although I would work from the back to the front in order to do one coat on the entire floor. You should wait approximately 24 hours between coats, as indicated in the instructions.
Pat 3/17/2004 19:30:46	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Lost the instructions. Can you e-mail me a set? Am about to the tub, tile and sink epoxy. I want to cover a bathroom with circa 1960 yellow wall with black trim tiles on the walls(half of the wall) and the entire shower enclosure. Can I paint over some of the repaired cracked tiles or will the paint not adhere to it? Does the paint adhere to grout or caulk lines? I was intending to electric sand the tile to etch it or is there a primer I could use instead because there is inadequate ventilation in this room and it only has a small window. Please advise
Mark 3/18/2004 07:37:25	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You can paint over the cracked tiles, but I would first fill the cracks with an epoxy filler. The paint will adhere to grout, but it looks a lot better if the grout is removed prior to painting and regrouted afterwards. NEVER try to paint over caulking. If the caulk contains silicone it will not adhere and will cause fish eyes to form in other spots on the surface. You can not use any primer with Klenk's Epoxy - except for a two-part epoxy primer.
suzanne 4/10/2004 05:59:11	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: dear mark--i have heard good things about klenks epoxy enamel but don't want to tackle a project that may not work given my tub facts. I have a 20 year old pressed steel tub i would like to renew, instead of replacing (as my plumber recommends) the tub has a small 1/4 inch rust hole close to the drain, and there seems to be a lot of rust on the underside of the tub that has spread out from the hole. i am afraid to wire brush the tub underside because there may not be very much sound metal underneath the rust and the whole thing could just give way. tearing out the tub and replacing it would be very costly because everything in the bathroom is tiled with a no longer manufactured tile. we couldn't just replace the bottom 2 or 3 rows that would need to be torn out to get the tub out. is there anything we can do to prepare the tub for a successful makeover with klenks? we desparately need to extend the life of the tub for a few more years while saving up for the inevitable big $ job. Thanks. sue
Mark 4/10/2004 07:52:26	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: In order to ensure proper adhesion, all loose rust must be removed. If in doing that you discover that the tub is completely rusted through, you will require a new tub. More than likely that is not the case. Using a wire brush remove all loose rust. Afterwards, use a rust converter or rust neutralizer. This product will stop the rust from reforming. Fill all holes and dents with a 2 part epoxy filler. Sand down the filler and thoroughly clean the tub prior to painting.
Josh 4/13/2004 08:40:16	Epoxy Enamel as basecoat Message: Dear Klenks, I'd like to use an epoxy enamel as a basecoat for some outdoor equipment. Would an acrylic enamel clearcoat stick to it, if I allow the epoxy to fully cure? I'd like to use a clearcoat for UV protection and for extra gloss. Thanks.
Mark 4/13/2004 10:30:16	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You can apply an acrylic enamel on top of Klenk's Epoxy. If the Acrylic contains UV inhibitors you will notice less yellowing in the white. The other colours are less affected by UV radiation. (We can match any colour you desire). Acrylics are less resistant to scratching than is Klenk's Epoxy. Klenk's is about a 90 degree gloss, so if gloss is your only concern I would skip the acrylic top coat.
Josh 4/13/2004 12:33:01	Epoxy Enamel as basecoat Message: Thanks for the info Mark. Is it (Klenks) sold strictly through the online store, or do some chains carry it? I was also wondering if this (Epoxy enamel) is same stuff that commercial in-home tub re-glazers use.
Mark 4/13/2004 12:40:45	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: In Canada you can purchase Klenk's Epoxy at Home Depot, Rona, Home Hardware, Reno Depot, Revy, BMR, Cashway, Glidden, etc. Some professionals use Klenks - but this really a brush on system. Most of the professionals use our Swiss Formula Epoxy, which is a spray system that comes with an Epoxy Primer.
Bill Rayne 4/13/2004 18:45:18	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I haven't written lately, but have been following along. It was frustrating locating product. Here in the US a Klenks line is sold, as you know. The hard part is getting hardware hip to the need for them to supply a moltoprene roller, either separately or in a package with the paint (though it is 'optional,' they need to understand what a preferred option it might be, to using just a brush. And, in general we need, from hardware (or 'paint',) either the item, or a pretty good substitute/ or definite promise. This is a wry way to get around to saying thankyou for the kind of detailed info you provide. Home maintenance is not staid...you see yer window of time and you get with the program. Bill Rayne, Gorham, Maine
Lynne Mizner 4/20/2004 07:06:08	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: OK - bought my Klenk's Tub,Tile&Sink Refinishing Kit last night at Home Depot. I've been stressing over the right sink (that's not so expensive!) for my new "old" kitchen and thought I'd try to refurbish the original farmhouse porcelain kitchen sink (20x30x8) I took out. I've read all posts here and feel good about tackling the job since I've done all remodeling myself anyway . . . but I do not see anywhere if anyone has done a kitchen sink that would be exposed to stains (i.e. wine, grape juice, etc.) Is this product stain-resistant? In the past, I used to scrub my porcelain sink with chlorine cleanser and occasion soak in Clorox. Obviously I cannot do this with the Klenk's. Is this product appropriate for my use . . . or should I just return the kit and cough up the $$ for a new sink?
Mark 4/20/2004 07:19:30	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You are on the wrong web site. We do not manufacture Klenk's Epoxy Tub, Tile & Sink Refinishing Kit (this is a US product). The product that we make in Canada, Klenk's Swiss Formula Epoxy is resistant to most stains, including wine and grape juice. Regardless of which product you use, you will not be able to scrub your sink with a chlorine cleanser as that would degloss the finish.
andrew 4/26/2004 08:55:39	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Silicone Caulking Removal: I have used the tub refinish kits on several different tubs. I have cut away the old silicone caulking, used a razor glass scrapper, Ajax/Comet abrasive cleaner, sanded prior to using the product. On ocassion I have found that silicone caulking has not been removed completely. What product removes silicone completely? Is it acetone, mineral spirits or am I just doomed to mechanically removing the caulking by additional sanding? There has got to be an easier way. I have followed the instructions of rinsing completely and allowing the tub to dry thoughly. I have even tack clothed the surface on numerous occasions for dust. PS: I have found that the mini sponge rollers the best inexpensive applicator if care is given to avoid paint runs. Care must taken not to "scuff" the roller tip or the foam roller can break down and leave particles of sponge behind that must be picked out of the wet paint and the roller's replacement.
Mark 4/26/2004 09:04:44	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: The "best" method for removing silicone caulking is to 1. Cut away caulking with a blade. 2. Wash with mineral spirits to dissolve the caulking residue. 3. Wash with ammonia to remove the dissolved residue. 4. Repeat step 2 and 3. 5. Proceed with Prep Kit (washing, sanding, etc.) NEVER use a tack cloth prior to painting with an epoxy. The resin from the tack cloth can cause almost as much of a problem as can silicone. Thanks for the suggestion about the roller. I too have found that it works nicely. However, it tends to give a slighly rougher surface than does application with a brush.
Debbie 5/01/2004 12:19:01	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi Mark, Found your site and love it and hopefully your answer will save me time and money. I purchased a used, white double enamel sink and wish to "custom" paint it using your paint. I want to paint it different colors, in a "Mediterranean" theme, using blues, yellow's, sienna's etc and can not find colors like this in Calgary. The amounts I would require would not be huge, considering it is for a sink. I would think that I would be able to use one Part B and then hopefully find a source for the colors. [or part A, which-ever is correct] To your knowledge and advice, is this an idea worth pursuing, or should I scrap my plans and pay $800 to $1000 for a new cobalt blue sink. I would even go a solid color if the paint will last, however, prefer to painting a scene. As a note, if the sink doesn't turn out the way I envision, my husband can always use it for a shop sink. I only paid $50. so , really want to play. If it is successful, great, if not, oh well. Deb
Mark 5/01/2004 14:31:39	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: For a painted scene you will need to have paints of different colours. The colours are achieved with special tints that are designed for epoxies. I doubt if you would be able to get them in very small quantities...so it may end up costing you as much as a new cobalt sink. If you prefer to go with a single colour, we can match any colour you like. Simply order it through one of the local stores that sell our Klenk's Epoxy (Totem, Rona, Home Hardware, Home Depot). It will probably cost you about $50-60 for the paint.
WenD 5/02/2004 08:54:05	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: My BETTER HALF tried to surprise me and repaint our bathtub. He totally botched the job. Didn't wait between coats and each coat was way too thick and dripped. Then, he didn't wait and put on the finishing coat. The whole tub turned a light shade of yellow. He tried to scrap it off and now we have a two tone tub with clumps and blobs and it is just hideous. We have been without our tub for well over a month now and I have been keeping my comments to myself but I am desperate now, especially since the first of our summer visitors will be here in about 3 weeks. I went and bought another kit so I can repaint the tub myself as I had a long talk with a girlfriend who did the job successfully herself and I am ready to do it, but HOW AM I TO COMPLETELY REMOVE WHAT IS LEFT ON THE TUB??? AND, what can I use to remove the big splotches of the epoxy paint that have dried on the surrounding wall tiles and on the floor??? HELP!!!
Mark 5/02/2004 09:44:03	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Someone once told me that we should put in some sort of a statement that men should not try to do this project since it requires patience to get it right.... You can use Circa 1850 Heavy Body Paint & Varnish Remover to take off the paint from the tub, as well as the wall tiles and floor.
Robert Millar 5/21/2004 16:34:40	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: It says on the box that Klenk's Epoxy can be sprayed yet there are no instructions for spraying. Do I use the same mixture of Parts A&B? 1:1? What spray pressure do I use? Do you have any advice for me? Do I need to buy Klenk's Swiss Formula with its two part epoxy primer or can I simply use the regular Klenk's Epoxy Enamel?
Sheree 6/02/2004 21:05:54	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I would like to paint designs on an almond laminate countertop - not cover the laminate completely. Would your product work for such an application?
Mark 6/03/2004 05:05:41	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Yes, you can paint onto a laminate countertop using Klenk's Epoxy. It is best to dull the area with sandpaper first to increase adhesion.
Jim D 6/13/2004 17:02:33	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Dear Sir/Madame, I used the Klenks kit on my bathtub. I was very impressed with the Surface Cleaner that came in the kit. It works better then CLR and other lime and scale removers I have tried. Is the surface cleaner available as a seperate product and where can I buy it. Jim
Mark 6/14/2004 06:40:45	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: We have no plans to sell the Klenk's Prep#1 as a separate product. However, if you are interested in purchasing it, we can provide it to you in a larger format when the next batch is made. On that note, we are finalizing a new product call "Bare Metal" that will remove lime, scale and rust better than CLR or the Klenk's Prep#1. It will be posted on the web site as soon as it is available.
Jessica 6/25/2004 13:59:33	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Mark-- Thank you for your helpful site! I'm a DIY amateur about to embark upon refinishing an antique clawfoot tub that I have recently acquired. We are currently remodeling the bathroom, and the tub has yet to be installed; it's sitting outside in our shed. My question: can I do the refinishing process outside, or in the drainage-less shelter of our shed? Will the runoff from the various products (including the CLR and the rust converter) damage the plant life in our backyard? Am I better off to wait and move the tub into the house? Plus I live in a humid climate--if I were to complete the project outside, would I wait to move/install the tub until after the epoxy's 7 day drying period? Thank you for your time!
Mark 6/25/2004 14:34:12	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: If I were you, I would paint the tub outside or in your shed (with adequate ventillation). I would also avoid getting any paint or undiluted solvents on your plants. It is best to do the painting when the humidity is low. If you use the paint when the humidity is high, you will not achieve a high gloss finish. The longer you can avoid knocking the paint after painting the better. It will normally take an epoxy up to 30 days to fully cure.
ELIZABETH CASEY 7/13/2004 16:46:05	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I went to Home Depot to get your Tub & Tile Epoxy Paint. I checked 8 boxes and none of them had any instructions in them. Can you please send to me. Thanks
Mark 7/13/2004 16:56:44	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Please let me know the store that you went to so that I can have a representative insert the instructions. I have e-mailed you a copy.
JOE ST. GERMAIN 7/14/2004 12:35:07	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Looking for directions to spray Klenks Swiss Formula on interior of clawfoot tub. Spray pressure, gun type, mixture? Would a Wagner Paint Sprayer be compatible or a compressor sprayer? Would you get a better quality finish spraying or brushing. Any helpful hints would be appreciated. Saw same question posted on website but did not see reply. Thanks Enamelly Challenged
Mark 7/14/2004 14:18:31	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: According to Dwayne on the Bathtub Prep and Instructions thread.... "After the tub or tile is cleaned and etched one must mask off the whole area outside of the prepared surface. regular masking tape covering fully the perimeter of the tub and the addition of news paper pages works well. A Wagner or equivalent Electric spraygun will work. Ensure one uses an oil based atomizer tip. This is the component that "propells" the product out of the nozzle. The latex ones tend to swell and not operate properly after several uses and cleans. Nozzles...use a medium or fine nozzle. It seems to give the best pattern for this light very viscous paint. Like a brush method light coats are the key. I keep a garbage can with a garbage bag in it on site to intermittently spray the product into. This way one can adjust the pattern if it seems to be going on too thick. Leave for 10 minutes and let the paint get tacky. If you can increase the heat in the room while you are gone ... good it seems to help the epoxy develop a kind of surface tension. The second and third coats are trickier. Now the white is more prevalent and it is harder to tell where one might be spraying too much ... possibly causing drips you'll have to sand out later. Plan out how you'll spray the whole tub and use the same method each time. Remember light coats. For really great results let the consecutive applications dry 24 hrs and sand off imperfections with 220 - 600 grit sand paper the next day. Tack cloth wipe off excesss powdered paint and wipe whole tub with lint free cloth damp with epoxy thinner ...let dry . Ready to spray same method ... nice even light coat. Cleaning the sprayer ... empty the resevoir cup by unscrewing it from the gun body pour out the paint to be discarded or frozen . pour in a liberal amount of Sherwin Williams gun cleaner or Klenk's epoxy thinner. Screw resevoir cup back onto gun body. Swirl mixture around inside and dilute as much as possible. Spray this diluted mixture into a garbage can as suggested. Tip ... this is a really airbourne spray as it is so diluted ... cover the garbage can right away to keep these fumes trapped. the sprayer must still be disassembled and cleaned with an epoxy diluting solvent. I use a specific gun cleaning spirit ... if components of a sprayer are soaked in a spirit like this and the epoxy paint residue on these components is already diluted and still wet, chances are these parts will come very clean."
Anna 7/21/2004 09:45:47	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I just purchased Klenk's Epoxy Enamel Tub and Tile Finish from Home Depot and there were no instructions in the box. Can you please email me complete instructions and also let me know how much do I use to do a small sink and a small part of the bathtub? Thank you
Lorraine 7/22/2004 09:14:04	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I have lost the instructions for the Klenks sink refinsher that has the surface cleaner and the porcelain prep. Can you please email the complete instructions. Thank-you very much
cath gibbs 7/22/2004 18:31:55	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: What can I use for the surface preparation before applying Klenk's epoxy for tile and where can I get it? Thanks a bunch!
Mark 7/23/2004 06:26:45	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Klenk's Tub & Tile Prep kit is available at the same stores that Klenk's Tub & Tile Epoxy is sold.
Megan 7/23/2004 13:11:42	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi Mark, I have Klenk's on my sink...and there are some yellow stains from food sitting in it. Can i put more epoxy over the stains to cover them up? They arent coming out with any cleaning solution... Thanks! Megan
Lisa 7/31/2004 18:14:32	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I as so many others have lost the instructions. Could you please e-mail them to me. Also,I had quite a bit of mildew on the tile on the wall. A suggestion was made to use an acid to clean it first. Do you recommend this?
Mark 8/01/2004 09:22:42	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Instructions will be e-mailed to you. Mildew is usually removed with a bleach (chlorine or peroxide) or with a caustic cleaner.
Megan 8/02/2004 16:16:50	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi Mark, I never actually got a response to my question... it was as follows: Hi Mark, I have Klenk's on my sink...and there are some yellow stains from food sitting in it. Can i put more epoxy over the stains to cover them up? Is there a sealant i can put over klenks to prevent more stains? They arent coming out with any cleaning solution... Thanks! Megan
Mark 8/02/2004 20:08:06	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You can put Klenk's Epoxy over the surface to cover over the stains. However, epoxy paints will also stain. There are no sealants that I know of.
AJ 8/03/2004 09:42:49	Peeling tub and bubbling up Message: I recently had a painter paint my porcelain tub and grey spots are seeping through, also some rough spots. It is bubbling up and peelin, also. What do I do?
Mark 8/03/2004 10:37:40	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Have the painter come back to repair his work. What product was used?
Megan 8/03/2004 12:22:34	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi Mark, Thanks for your response about sink stains on Klenks. So basically, would you not recommend this product for kitchen sinks? only bathroom sinks/tubs? Or do you just have to be extremely careful with the kitchen sink and not leave any food or dishes in it at all?
Mark 8/03/2004 12:33:58	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I guess it really depends on what you started out with. If the kitchen sink is really awful, you may be willing to take your chances with the paint. You do not have to worry so much about dishes, but I would certainly not leave anything that can stain - such as berries, wine, tomatoes, oil... I have granite countertops and the same goes for them - wipe up spills or they will stain.
Megan 8/03/2004 15:16:49	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Thanks for the info mark. I guess ill just repaint surface again with klenks in a year or so, if the stains accumulate. yes, the original sink was really gross, so this is definitely a step up from that.
Jim 8/03/2004 18:12:54	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi Mark, I am getting ready to prep my tub and am concerned about areas where there were stick-on stars on the bottom of the tub. They were on there for many years and protected the surface under the stars from abrasion. Now that I have the stars are removed, there are very obvious, raised impressions of every one of them. I am quite sure they will show through the finish and possibly the new finish may wear out quicker around the edges of the stars. Should I try to powersand these down to the surrounding eroded surface or am I asking for trouble?
Mark 8/03/2004 18:19:00	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Power sanding would not only take care of the raised areas but would also give you an ideal surface for which the paint will adhere. Go for it!
Lynnie 8/11/2004 23:01:26	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I have tried Klenk's tub tile & sink product twice now and am thoroughly discouraged with the outcome. I started with a brand new sink, wrong colour, followed prep and painting directions including recommendations for tools, humidity conditions, etc. The end result (1st time) was mediocre with a few small areas peeling off and some patches of rough texture. I wouldn't liken it to the "fisheye" effect referred to in earlier posts and this was a brand new sink so caulking is not a likely culprit. Had I found this forum a few weeks ago, I wouldn't have mixed the entire contents of the cans but rather saved some. When I went to use the remainder of the product, it had congealed, perhaps my fault for improper storage but then, there are no instructions on storage of product other than the 20 hr period at minimum 0 degrees. Just how long does this product last once mixed? I bought a 2nd kit, went through thorough prep and again followed instructions but results were even worse, very significant blistering occurred. I don't get discouraged easily from DYI projects but this has cost a fortune (after 2 boxes of product, had to buy a new sink as new home owner would never accept condition of reconditioned sink) 1)What is the likely cause for the blistering? 2)Could I email you a picture for a more accurate diagnosis? 3)The remaining contents of 1lt kit are in my freezer. Is there any point in keeping it a few more months for a third attempt on sink which I will now be taking to new house? Recommendations for packaging 1) indicate somewhere on instructions that product can be mixed in smaller quantities if only doing one fixture. 2) indicate time frame the mixed product will last and proper storage conditions Thanks for making this forum available.
Mark 8/12/2004 09:35:13	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Thanks for your suggestions. We are planning to redo our outer packaging and will use these suggestions, as well as many others, to provide better information. By the way, the newest instruction sheet (since 2003) indicates that the pot life of the product is approximately 7 hours at 23C. You can expect the paint to last at most 4-5 days in your freezer. The first attempt at painting resulted in peeling and rough spots - this would indicate that a foreign substance was on the surface that prevented the paint from adhering. That would seem very strange to me if this was a brand new sink. Did you entirely remove the epoxy from the sink prior to your second attempt. If yes, how? If not, I would expect that the new paint would do the exact same as the first attempt.
Frank 8/13/2004 10:26:15	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I Mark...everything has gone well so far with my first coat only that it took alot longer than I anticipated (5 hrs). The epoxy is still liquidy but a little thicker than when I started. My question is can I add some epoxy thinner to lengthen the time of the product for the second application? I'm concerned that the 6-7 hr total life of the product will affect my second coat. I anticipate it taking 4 more hrs. I'm painting shower tiles. Thanks
Mark 8/13/2004 10:39:04	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Yes, you can add some thinner...up to about 10%.
James 8/16/2004 13:32:49	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I've just applied my second coat and i've received as described in other posts fish eyes on the bottom of my tub where no caulking or silicone was present. I'm assuming it might be from dust. What can I do before my third coat to get rid of these. I also have a drip or two on the side of the tub. Can I sand It out? Should i be wiping the tub out before each coat? My second coat was applied Friday it is now Monday. If I wait the five days I would have to go and buy another kit because I read the frozen remainder is only good for 5 days (is this true?) Thanks James
James 8/16/2004 13:37:08	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: 1 more thing It still looks like the coating has been brushed on. Will this appearance disappear or would you suggest doing a coat with a roller? If so any special recomendation? Thanks James
Natalie 8/17/2004 11:54:44	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I did the 2nd coat on my tub yesterday. I think the paint might have become to thick between coats, because I can feel brush marks in some places. Can I sand these out? What is the best way to do this. After I do sand, what should I do to prepare the tub for 3rd coat? Thanks, Natalie
Mark 8/17/2004 11:59:08	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You can sand the surface using 400 or 600 grit sandpaper. After sanding, remove the dust using a cloth dampened in Epoxy Thinner. Use a fresh batch of paint for your 3rd coat (remember to keep the mixed portion in the FREEZER between coats - or only mix what you think you will need for the coat).
Natalie 8/17/2004 17:41:37	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Thanks. Should I sand by hand, or use an electric sander? I did put in the freezer, but my fridge freezer. I'm wondering if it didn't stay cold enough with people opening the door. If you can't get Klenks Epoxy Thinner, what would you recommend? One more question; I've read that the Fantastic cleaner is no longer available. What are people using now? Thanks again, Natalie
Mark 8/17/2004 20:37:34	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hand or electric - either way. Fridge freezer is probably not good enough. You can use any solvent (even water) to remove the dust. You just have to make sure the solvent has evaporated completely prior to painting. Most of the non-bleach, non-abrasive liquid cleaners will work.
Robert 8/23/2004 23:06:17	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel ...Instructions Please Message: I have puchased the Klenk's Swiss Formula Epoxy Enamel Tub & Tile Finish at Home Depot (Scarborough, Ontario). Like so many other customers, I found there were no instructions in the box. Could these be e-mailed to me. Thanks.
Amanda 9/02/2004 14:13:36	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Help--the instructions were not in the package. Can you email them to me? I bought the tub, tile, and sink kit
Todd 9/06/2004 15:39:24	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hello! Oddly enough, my instructions were also not in the package. I tried to take it back to the store i bought it from to just get another one but they claimed I had already 'used it' and wouldnt help. I also bought the Tub Tile and sink kit. I want to be sure I'm going at thisin the right order so, I would think I definately need the instructions. Any help??
Todd 9/06/2004 15:41:53	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Sorry, almost forgot to mention that I am in the US... That may make a difference so I thought I would mentoin it. Thanks again!
Mark 9/07/2004 06:37:15	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: We are not associated with Klenk's in the US. The brand is owned by another company.
Michael 9/08/2004 10:39:40	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hello: How many days after I repaint tub will we be able to use it to take a bath?
Mark 9/08/2004 11:45:03	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You must wait a minimum of 5 days prior to using the repainted tub.
Michael 9/08/2004 11:53:37	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Oh no. I was told only 2-3 days by the person who sold me the kit at Home Depot. What happens if you use the tub earlier? Does the paint simply peel off?
Mark 9/08/2004 12:35:56	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: The instructions state 5 days. The paint may peel off.
Michael 9/08/2004 14:10:55	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I guess that'll learn me for leaving it to the last minute. I'm going take my chances... will report back in 2-3 days with the details for the sake of "science". In anticipation of having to redo the entire thing in a week, what's the best way to remove all the old paint to start from scratch? Use Epoxy thinner, and start cleaning all over again?
Mark 9/08/2004 14:52:31	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: You will need to strip off the existing epoxy using Circa 1850 Heavy Body Paint & Varnish Remover.
Michael 9/21/2004 10:45:17	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: UPDATE: Paint still seems to be sticking OK after only waiting 2 1/2 days before showering. It's been over a week now. I think I'm going to try a second coat to make it look a little smoother, but so far so good.
Louis Zammit 9/26/2004 22:31:29	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: We have a clawfoot tub in our shed and would like to refinish it before installing. I would like to take it to my workshop to do the recoat and one concern I have is that there is only a bar fridge and not a freezer there. Can I mix only what I need for each coat and what amount is this? Once the tin is opened and re-sealed, what is the shelf life and do the tins then have to be placed in a fridge between coats? I was planning to use a power sander on the tub, do I still need to use the cleaner/prep kit and if so, before or after the sanding? What grade/grades should I use when sanding? Will this help in the adhesion of the epoxy? I noticed a lot of complaints regarding brush marks on the finished product, what is the best way to avoid this? Is using a good roller instead of a brush a better method for a smoother appearance.
Mark 9/28/2004 15:44:58	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Mix only what you need for each coat is fine. Unmixed parts are good for a few years. Coverage is on instruction sheet (approx. 6 m2 / L). Power sanding is great - no other prep is required. Roller will work, but gives roller marks. You can apply with roller and top off with brush if you like.
nathan 9/28/2004 20:47:19	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Heres some pics of my tub i finished. <img src="http://pic11.picturetrail.com:80/VOL354/2125374/4131366/68114482.jpg"> <BR> <img src="http://pic11.picturetrail.com:80/VOL354/2125374/4131366/68114490.jpg"> <BR> <img src="http://pic11.picturetrail.com:80/VOL354/2125374/4131366/68114506.jpg"> <BR>Prepped <img src="http://pic11.picturetrail.com:80/VOL354/2125374/4131366/68114515.jpg"> <BR> First coat <img src="http://pic11.picturetrail.com:80/VOL354/2125374/4131366/68114529.jpg"> <BR> Second coat <img src="http://pic11.picturetrail.com:80/VOL354/2125374/4131366/68114677.jpg"> <BR> 4th final coat <img src="http://pic11.picturetrail.com:80/VOL354/2125374/4131366/68114680.jpg"> <BR>
nathan 9/28/2004 20:51:54	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Follow the prep extremely closely. Tips for porcelin surfaces is to wipe with a slightly damp rag soaked in Lacquer thinner as final step to ensure cleanliness of surface. Then use the cheese cloth VERY lightly over the surface..you dont want to get the residue on the tile and tub. Outcome was very nice as you can see vs. a $900 quote i got from Miracle Method. I used 2 kits to cover all the blue tub and tile.
Dave 10/07/2004 19:15:45	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Mark I just purchased a new Klenks Epoxy Enamel and noticed there is only 2 hours required between coats compared to 20 - 24 hours for the previous kit I purchased. The first coat was still a little tacky after 4 hours, but I applied the second coat that went on great. Should the first coat be dry before applying the 2nd coat. And how many coats give the best protection on a cast iron tub? Is more better? I have enough material to do about 5 coats. I realy like you product. - Now this is off the wall, I have a fiberglass canoe, very faded, I would like to rub it down and apply your product in a red colour that is suitable for a canoe. Do I just go to HD and request the colour and do they special order from you. Thanks - Dave.
Mark 10/08/2004 08:58:31	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: The paint should have been dry to the touch after 2 hours. The reason the paint was tacky probably had to do with one or more of the conditions not being met (temperature above 20C, low humidity, adequate ventilation). You can apply as many coats as you like. As with any paint, more thin coats are better than one thick coats. Home Depot (or any other store that carries our product) can mail us a colour chip off of their paint board. We can match any colour.
Anonymous 10/08/2004 15:10:01	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Can this paint be used to paint over formica kitchen countertops, Who is a dealer that carries this product line.
Mark 10/08/2004 17:07:31	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Klenk's Epoxy can be used on many surfaces, including ceramic, porcelain, metal, formica, wood, plaster, glass.
JIMMY 10/08/2004 17:09:05	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Can you take my me off the notification, My tub has been done for months. thanks
Bob 10/10/2004 13:22:58	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Mark, Just a couple of questions. 1. I would like to achieve a glossy finish on my fiberglass shower tub enclosure. The fiberglass kit provides a satin finish. I was told I could use the porcelean kit and leave out the porcelean prep additive and I would get the glossy finish desired. Is this true? 2. I applied the 2nd coat after waiting the appropriate time per instructions (1 hr but not more then 2 hr). The finish turned out terrible. I used a new roller for the second coat. Since temp and humidity are different everywere, what should the condition of the 1st coat be before applying the second? At this point after waiting a week, I have sanded the application smooth, purchased a new kit and am willing to give it another go.
Mark 10/10/2004 13:43:11	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Unfortunately, it appears as though you are not using the Klenk's Epoxy manufactured by Swing Paints in Canada. I am not completely familiar with the US product and would prefer to defer to someone who is.
Bradc 10/10/2004 16:24:24	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I was able to achieve outstanding results using klenks. I followed the prepping instructions exactly as written, applied 3 coats allowing 1.5 hours between coats at 70f. After looking at what had to be the worst looking bathtub I have ever seen, I went out and purchased a new tub...Don't use this product!!!!
JLow 10/25/2004 01:08:40	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I just wanted to say that this paint worked great for me...7 years ago. I am about to redo the old tub again, as it has started to yellow. The key is proper prep and to be sure to remove all traces of silicone.
MEJ 10/25/2004 08:37:26	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I used this paint as a trim paint in a bathroom and it has been great.I want to do another bathroom but cannot find a store that has it.Can you provide a dealer list or sugest a source north of the twin cities in Minnesota?
Stacy 11/16/2004 00:07:29	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I recently heard about this product. I have a fiberglass shower/tub. Is there a special kit for fiberglass?
anise 11/30/2004 12:46:08	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I just bought a very old house in which the bathroom still has an old-fashioned clawfoot bathtub. The tub has a few rusty places on the inside of it, especially around the drain area. I would like to attempt to refurbish this tub instead of replace it. How do I go about doing this restoration? Thanks. Anise
alan 12/01/2004 23:26:11	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I purchased epoxy enamal kit and it came without instrtuctions.I'm in canada.The kit is a swing paint product.I bought an epoxy steel filled to fill chips in porcelain.Do I need to prime spots.After sanding and cleaning with T.S.P. should I clean with epoxy thinner.
Mark 12/02/2004 06:39:58	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Do not prime. You can view the instructions at www.swingpaints.com/directions_8100_8199.pdf
Monfee 12/15/2004 15:58:32	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I need to remove old epoxy we used to resurface the tub. The tub started to peel and look bad after contractors damaged the surface. What can I use to easily and quickly remove the epoxy and go back to the original surface?
Toni 12/15/2004 16:18:04	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: We refinished our bathroom and kitchen sinks last night, so far they look great! One problem, my husband did not read the instructions all the way through, I am having a large gathering at out home Saturday afternoon, is there any way to speed the drying process along????
Jackie 12/22/2004 18:05:20	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Hi, I am a renter and moved in to find a disgusting grayish/bluish, abrasive tub. I used an epoxy enamel five years ago and within a few years, it started to chip and severely yellow. Do I have to strip it first using the Circa 1850 Heavy Body Paint & Varnish Remover and then the Klenks Epoxy Enamel, or is it bad to do it again? I know that the tub/pipes are old and wouldn't want to do any damage. Could I get away with not stripping it? Thanks.
NEIL 12/22/2004 21:15:07	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: JACKIE, YOU CAN RECOAT KLENKS. I NOT SURE WHAT KIND OF PAINT YOU HAVE ON THERE NOW. IF IT HAS BEEN PAINTED BEFORE YOU ARE PROBABLY BETTER OFF STRIPPING THE TUB BEFORE DOING YOUR PREP WORK. THE CIRCA STRIPPER WILL HANDLE THIS TASK VERY NICELY. JUST BLOCK OFF YOUR DRAIN SO THAT THE STRIPPER DOES NOT DAMAGE YOUR PLASTIC PIPES. IN THE FUTURE DO NOT USE ANY CLEANING MATERIAL THAT CONTAIN CHLORINE OR ABRASIVE. BETTER OFF TO CLEAN VERY FREQUENTLY WITH SOAP AND WATER..... GOOD LUCK
Jackie 12/24/2004 10:20:39	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Thanks Neil. This may be a stupid question, but if I recoat without removing the original layer, should I do the prep step or just go right to the painting? Thanks again.
Lori McIntosh 1/03/2005 19:53:04	RE: Klenk's Application to a Claw Foot Tub Message: Could someone send me instructions on how to apply Epoxy A and B to a Claw Foot Tub? Much appreciated. Lori McIntosh
Carolyn Kessler 1/10/2005 17:56:02	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I have put two coats of white epoxy on my shower stall tiles, but I need to do at least one more coat. Can I use a small roller to speed up the application and get rid of the brush marks???
Mark 1/10/2005 19:46:19	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: Yes you can - but using a roller will leave an orange peel finish.
Jackie 1/11/2005 20:23:08	Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: I live in a house on the first floor. My neighbor on the second floor can smell the enamel I just applied. The oil burner is in the basement and I don't have access to it to ventilate that area. Should I be worried? I completed the job about two hours ago. Thanks!
Mark 1/12/2005 10:46:32	RE: Klenks Epoxy Enamel Message: The odour will disipate over time. As long as you provide adequate ventilation in the room (a ceiling fan or other fan to suck out air) you should be okay.